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		<title>By: Bailey</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1322</link>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Ow be on, Adrian?

We&#039;re constantly complaining -- well, 10-12 hours a day -- that we can&#039;t get Zywiec Porter in the UK. Given that Zywiec has somehow or other become a &quot;tip of the tongue&quot; brand when you talk about beer with people who aren&#039;t that into it, the porter could be a reasonable seller alongside things like Guinness Foreign Extra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Ow be on, Adrian?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re constantly complaining &#8212; well, 10-12 hours a day &#8212; that we can&#8217;t get Zywiec Porter in the UK. Given that Zywiec has somehow or other become a &#8220;tip of the tongue&#8221; brand when you talk about beer with people who aren&#8217;t that into it, the porter could be a reasonable seller alongside things like Guinness Foreign Extra.</p>
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		<title>By: ATJ</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1321</link>
		<dc:creator>ATJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just been to Zywiec: their porter is pretty delicious and brewed away from the main brewery in a rundown establishment a few miles away — however, it’s lagered for several months in open fermenters and grips with its roasty, bitter, dry, creamy and licorice character. There were curious looks all around when we said this would go down well with beer lovers in the UK…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just been to Zywiec: their porter is pretty delicious and brewed away from the main brewery in a rundown establishment a few miles away — however, it’s lagered for several months in open fermenters and grips with its roasty, bitter, dry, creamy and licorice character. There were curious looks all around when we said this would go down well with beer lovers in the UK…</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Pattinson</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1320</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Pattinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slottskällans Imperial Stout - very nice. From one of my favourite Scandinavian breweries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slottskällans Imperial Stout &#8211; very nice. From one of my favourite Scandinavian breweries.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Holmes</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1319</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 09:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boak - Just proves you can buy anything in London.  I haven&#039;t been to St Petersburg for a couple of years, though my wife and daughter spend 4 weeks there every summer (mostly on the Dacha).  Maybe I&#039;ll go back next year and do some detailled investigation.

Thanks for reminding me, it&#039;s a great city and it&#039;s not bad for beer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boak &#8211; Just proves you can buy anything in London.  I haven&#8217;t been to St Petersburg for a couple of years, though my wife and daughter spend 4 weeks there every summer (mostly on the Dacha).  Maybe I&#8217;ll go back next year and do some detailled investigation.</p>
<p>Thanks for reminding me, it&#8217;s a great city and it&#8217;s not bad for beer.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Rail</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Rail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 07:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see you got around to the Pardubice Porter! We&#039;ve got about four beers roughly in this category in the Czech Republic at the moment, including a very nice version from Pilsner Urquell&#039;s Master line. Pardubice&#039;s is by far the best-known.

Also glad to see you found Carnegie Stark Porter. I didn&#039;t notice the 3.5% at the Systembolaget alcohol monopoly last month (though of course it wouldn&#039;t have to be there). But the 3.5% was recently rated at Ratebeer, so it looks like it&#039;s still around:

http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/carnegie-porter-35/14982/

I brought home a couple of bottles of Carnegie Stark Porter from Stockholm; they didn&#039;t last very long. The one remaining bottle from that trip is Slottskällans Imperial Stout — very good stuff.

Now where&#039;s my bottle opener?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see you got around to the Pardubice Porter! We&#8217;ve got about four beers roughly in this category in the Czech Republic at the moment, including a very nice version from Pilsner Urquell&#8217;s Master line. Pardubice&#8217;s is by far the best-known.</p>
<p>Also glad to see you found Carnegie Stark Porter. I didn&#8217;t notice the 3.5% at the Systembolaget alcohol monopoly last month (though of course it wouldn&#8217;t have to be there). But the 3.5% was recently rated at Ratebeer, so it looks like it&#8217;s still around:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/carnegie-porter-35/14982/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/carnegie-porter-35/14982/</a></p>
<p>I brought home a couple of bottles of Carnegie Stark Porter from Stockholm; they didn&#8217;t last very long. The one remaining bottle from that trip is Slottskällans Imperial Stout — very good stuff.</p>
<p>Now where&#8217;s my bottle opener?</p>
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		<title>By: Boak</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1317</link>
		<dc:creator>Boak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Ron.  3.5% porter sounds fab - a lot of the flavours I like in a porter (sourness, smokiness) wouldn&#039;t require a particularly high alcohol content, surely...

It certainly had a promising start, but just seemed to lack the finish.  Might have been because it seemed to have been exported to the UK via the US...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Ron.  3.5% porter sounds fab &#8211; a lot of the flavours I like in a porter (sourness, smokiness) wouldn&#8217;t require a particularly high alcohol content, surely&#8230;</p>
<p>It certainly had a promising start, but just seemed to lack the finish.  Might have been because it seemed to have been exported to the UK via the US&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Pattinson</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1316</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Pattinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot the link to my posts about 19th century Swedish beer:

http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/search/label/Sweden</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot the link to my posts about 19th century Swedish beer:</p>
<p><a href="http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/search/label/Sweden" rel="nofollow">http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/search/label/Sweden</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron Pattinson</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1315</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Pattinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porter has been brewed in Sweden for a long time - much longer than lager. I&#039;ve a soft spot for Carnegie Porter. It ages very well, despite not being either bottle-conditioned or particularly strong.

It&#039;s an interesting example of how a beer has to adapt to survive restrictive legislation. It&#039;s just 5.6% ABV for a reason - for decades that was the maximum strength for beer in Sweden. In the 19th century Swedish Porter was much stronger - I&#039;ve a set of analyses where the average OG is 1074 and the strongest 1096.

Despite having to be brewed much weaker than is usual for the style, Carnegie still retains many of the characteristics. It&#039;s really quite a triumph. Though it would be nice if they brewed a stronger version now it&#039;s allowed.

I don&#039;t know if they still make the 3.5% ABV version of Carnegie Porter. That was weak enough to be sold in ordinary shops. Much better than you would expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porter has been brewed in Sweden for a long time &#8211; much longer than lager. I&#8217;ve a soft spot for Carnegie Porter. It ages very well, despite not being either bottle-conditioned or particularly strong.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting example of how a beer has to adapt to survive restrictive legislation. It&#8217;s just 5.6% ABV for a reason &#8211; for decades that was the maximum strength for beer in Sweden. In the 19th century Swedish Porter was much stronger &#8211; I&#8217;ve a set of analyses where the average OG is 1074 and the strongest 1096.</p>
<p>Despite having to be brewed much weaker than is usual for the style, Carnegie still retains many of the characteristics. It&#8217;s really quite a triumph. Though it would be nice if they brewed a stronger version now it&#8217;s allowed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if they still make the 3.5% ABV version of Carnegie Porter. That was weak enough to be sold in ordinary shops. Much better than you would expect.</p>
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		<title>By: Boak</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>Boak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy - we&#039;ve got numbers 4 and 8 in the fridge as we speak...

Eric - I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m a bit rubbish when it comes to Prague, last time we were there (around three and a half years ago) we struggled to find good beer in places that weren&#039;t tourist traps, but that was before beer-blogging!

Now I&#039;m sure that if you checked out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Evan Rail&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://pivni-filosof.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pivni Filosof&lt;/a&gt; you&#039;d get lots of great tips, and links to more...  Have a great trip, I&#039;m very envious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy &#8211; we&#8217;ve got numbers 4 and 8 in the fridge as we speak&#8230;</p>
<p>Eric &#8211; I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m a bit rubbish when it comes to Prague, last time we were there (around three and a half years ago) we struggled to find good beer in places that weren&#8217;t tourist traps, but that was before beer-blogging!</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m sure that if you checked out <a href="http://www.praguemonitor.com/beer/" rel="nofollow">Evan Rail</a> or <a href="http://pivni-filosof.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Pivni Filosof</a> you&#8217;d get lots of great tips, and links to more&#8230;  Have a great trip, I&#8217;m very envious!</p>
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		<title>By: E.S. Delia</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2008/05/13/baltic-porters-again/#comment-1313</link>
		<dc:creator>E.S. Delia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know I can&#039;t get enough baltic porter coverage!

That heads-up about the Pardubicky Porter might come in handy for me in about a week, as I&#039;ll be in Prague for a few days. And if you have any, I&#039;d love some suggestions for other Czech beers (and bars) to check out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I can&#8217;t get enough baltic porter coverage!</p>
<p>That heads-up about the Pardubicky Porter might come in handy for me in about a week, as I&#8217;ll be in Prague for a few days. And if you have any, I&#8217;d love some suggestions for other Czech beers (and bars) to check out!</p>
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