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		<title>Horselydown Denied</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As Des de Moor points out, beer geeks got very excited last year when news broke that Wells and Young&#8217;s were to start brewing Courage Imperial Russian Stout again. We&#8217;re still sulking that the first brew disappeared to the states, except for a few bottles sent to beer writers and industry types. What we find [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div id="attachment_766" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 450px"><a href="http://boakandbailey.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/anchorbrewery1.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-766" title="anchorbrewery" src="http://boakandbailey.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/anchorbrewery1.jpg" alt="" width="440" height="146" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The Anchor Brewery at Tower Bridge</p></div>
<p>As Des de Moor points out, <a href="http://desdemoor.co.uk/wells-youngs-courage-imperial-russian-stout-2011/">beer geeks got very excited last year when news broke that Wells and Young&#8217;s were to start brewing Courage Imperial Russian Stout again</a>.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re still sulking that the first brew disappeared to the states, except for a few bottles sent to <a href="http://www.beer-pages.com/protz/news/courage-imperial-stout.htm">beer writers and industry types</a>.</p>
<p>What we find particularly frustrating, however, is that it&#8217;s possible to disembark from a boat on the south bank of the Thames not far from the building which still bears the words ANCHOR BREWHOUSE HORSELYDOWN; to <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2009/04/19/barclay-perkins-1-austria-0/">walk past the site of the old Barclay Perkins brewery</a>; and <a href="http://foundersarms.co.uk/">to a Young&#8217;s Pub with a view of St Paul&#8217;s Cathedral</a>, without finding one drop of IRS.</p>
<p>London is simultaneously spoiled for beer, and oddly neglected &#8212; <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2011/09/15/londons-brilliant-parade/">out-of-the-way locations are increasingly stuffed with craft beer bars</a> while more traditional breweries use their flagship locations to sell burgers and Peroni.</p>
<p>If you want to drink a historic interpretation of <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2009/12/23/sour-stout-in-a-victorian-pub/">imperial stout in Southwark, Harvey&#8217;s at the Royal Oak</a> is your best bet. Plenty of other British brewers are also selling bottled beers inspired by Courage IRS, including the <a href="http://www.olddairybrewery.com/beers/#">Old Dairy Brewery whose Tsar Top is based directly on a historic recipe</a>.</p>
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		<title>Awkward second date</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2011/12/07/awkward-second-date/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you ever avoid a special beer you&#8217;ve really enjoyed in the past because you have a feeling it just won&#8217;t excite you the same way second time around? We have wondered why we haven&#8217;t got round to having a second bottle of Thornbridge&#8217;s St Petersburg Imperial Russian Stout and perhaps that was the reason, [...]]]></description>
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<p>Do you ever avoid a special beer you&#8217;ve really enjoyed in the past because you have a feeling it just won&#8217;t excite you the same way second time around?</p>
<p>We have wondered why we haven&#8217;t got round to having a second bottle of Thornbridge&#8217;s St Petersburg Imperial Russian Stout and perhaps that was the reason, <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2007/12/01/homecoming-beer-thornbridge-st-petersburg-stout/">as we really did enjoy it last time</a>, back when Thornbridge were up-and-coming and causing a buzz.</p>
<p>Fortunately, it didn&#8217;t disappoint, although we detected a more pronounced, pleasantly funky <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brettanomyces">brettanomyces</a> and tobacco character this time, reminding us of <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2009/12/23/sour-stout-in-a-victorian-pub/">Harvey&#8217;s</a> or even that <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2010/08/07/ancient-beer-and-charming-clutter/">1983 Courage we enjoyed in Antwerp</a>. Complex yet comforting, a perfect, slow-sipping Christmas beer, despite it&#8217;s tasteful label and reindeer-pun-free name.</p>
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		<title>Beers from beyond the grave</title>
		<link>http://boakandbailey.com/2011/09/23/beers-from-beyond-the-grave/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s getting easier then ever to buy and drink beer brewed to specific historical recipes and to get at least a sense of what beer tasted like before the 1970s. Here&#8217;s a list of some notable beers which are recreations of specific beers based on recipes from the archives. We&#8217;ve also included a couple of [...]]]></description>
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<p>It&#8217;s getting easier then ever to buy and drink beer brewed to specific historical recipes and to get at least a sense of what beer tasted like before the 1970s.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a list of some notable beers which are recreations of specific beers based on recipes from the archives. We&#8217;ve also included a couple of beers which, although perhaps not <em>exactly</em> recreations, can help us understand specific aspects of the beer of the past.</p>
<p><strong>1. <a href="http://harveys.org.uk/bottledbeers.php#imperial">Harvey&#8217;s Imperial Extra Double Stout</a> (9%, bottle)</strong><br />
It&#8217;s hard to work out if this is an accurate recreation of an historic recipe but, nonetheless, it is reckoned by some to be the best chance most of us will get to experience the sour <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brettanomyces">Brettanomyces</a> character which would have been present in many 19th century beers. (As they say on Wikipedia, CITATION NEEDED.) It&#8217;s pretty intense; you might not even like it the first time you try it (we didn&#8217;t) but it&#8217;s well worth trying twice and is <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2009/12/23/sour-stout-in-a-victorian-pub/">one of our favourites now</a>.</p>
<p><strong>2. <a href="http://www.fullers.co.uk/rte.asp?id=377">Fuller&#8217;s Past Masters XX Strong Ale</a> (7.5%, bottle)</strong><br />
Based on a recipe from 1891, some work went into this, including tracking down a specific variety of barley and then having it malted as it would have been at the end of the nineteenth century. Trying to understand styles gets our heads in a whirl but, as we understand it, this could be called a &#8216;burton&#8217;, a type of beer rarely found these days.</p>
<p><strong>3. <a href="http://www.fullers.co.uk/rte.asp?id=377">Fuller&#8217;s Past Masters Double Stout</a> (7.4%, bottle)</strong><br />
This was brewed from an 1893 recipe and, despite the &#8216;double&#8217; moniker, is interesting because it represents what you might have got if you&#8217;d ordered just a straight stout in a London pub at that time. Great to contrast with Fuller&#8217;s London Porter.</p>
<p><strong>4. <a href="http://www.westerhambrewery.co.uk/BlackEagleBrewery.htm">Westerham&#8217;s Audit Ale</a> (<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">bottle</span> Cask)</strong><br />
An occasional but award-winning product from this Kent brewery, Audit Ale is &#8220;brewed to the 1938 strength and using the same ingredients as the original best selling bottled beer of the Black Eagle Brewery&#8221;. We haven&#8217;t tried it, but we&#8217;d like to. Thanks to <a href="http://edsbeer.blogspot.com/">Ed</a> for tipping us off to this one.</p>
<p><strong>5. <a href="http://thekernelbrewery.com/index.html">Kernel&#8217;s historic range</a> (bottle)</strong><br />
There are too many beers in this range to list them all. Each recreates a porter, stout or IPA from a specific year and, the brewer tells us on the Twitter, most are based on specific historical recipes. <a href="http://thornbridge.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/kernelburtondemolen/">Kernel have also collaborated with Thornbridge on a burton for this year&#8217;s Borefts festival</a>. Again, we haven&#8217;t tried any of these, <a href="http://beer.bobarnott.com/tag/the-kernel/">but others have</a>.</p>
<p><strong>6. <a href="http://www.worthingtonswhiteshield.com/frontpage.html">Worthington</a> E (4.8%, bottle)</strong><br />
A sullied name because it was applied to <a href="http://youtu.be/FYxMbTAC_lc">a Worthington keg beer in the 1970s and 80s</a> but, we are told, this is brewed to the 1965 recipe for Bass Pale Ale. Again, we haven&#8217;t tried it, <a href="http://thebeerboy.blogspot.com/2010/06/ill-have-e-please-bob.html">but Zak has</a>. Thank to <a href="http://thebeernut.blogspot.com/">the Beer Nut</a> for the tip on this one.</p>
<p><strong>7. <a href="http://www.harveys.org.uk/index.php">Harvey&#8217;s</a> Ration Ale (2.7%, cask)</strong><br />
<a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2011/05/17/london-institutions-the-wenlock/">We&#8217;ve only seen it for sale once</a> and they don&#8217;t mention it on their website but this is a recreation of a beer brewed during World War II when raw materials were scarce and beers got very weak. From what we&#8217;ve seen in Ron&#8217;s tables, only milds generally got down <span style="text-decoration: underline;">this</span> low, but the point is made. We expect to see it crop up again now there are tax breaks for beers at this strength.</p>
<p><strong>8. <a href="http://www.greeneking.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=75">Greene King Suffolk Strong</a> (6%)</strong><br />
This strong beer is interesting because, as many beers would once have been at point of sale, it is a mix of &#8216;stale&#8217; beer matured in wooden vats (Greene King&#8217;s 5X, which they don&#8217;t sell) with a younger, &#8216;milder&#8217; beer.</p>
<p><strong>9. <a href="http://www.sarahhughesbrewery.co.uk/regular_ales.html">Sarah Hughes Dark Ruby Mild</a> (6%, bottle/cask)</strong><br />
According to the brewers, this is a strong mild brewed to a pre-World War I recipe. We&#8217;ve never tried it but <a href="http://real-ale.blogspot.com/2011/06/sarah-hughes-dark-ruby-is-rare-example.html">everyone</a> <a href="http://www.funf-media.co.uk/beerbeauty/index.php/2010/10/06/any-dark-ruby-mild-fans-out-there/">else</a> <a href="http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2011/09/black-country-part-three.html">in the entire world</a> <a href="http://desdemoor.co.uk/sarah-hughes-dark-ruby/">has</a>.  <a href="http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2008/05/mild-but-not-meek.html">The idea that milds are weak, sub-4% beers is quite a modern idea</a> after all. (With thanks to <a href="http://www.chromosphere.co.uk/">Graeme Coates</a> for reminding us of this one.)</p>
<p><strong>10. Courage Imperial Stout (tbc)</strong><br />
The word on the street (<a href="http://edsbeer.blogspot.com/2011/09/brewing-history-in-london.html">actually Ed&#8217;s blog again</a>) is that Wells and Youngs are planning to revive Courage Imperial Stout. Which recipe will they use? Who knows. <strong>UPDATE: </strong><a href="http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2011/10/courage-russian-stout.html">it&#8217;s out in the US</a>.</p>
<p>Need we say (again) that we think this kind of thing is fascinating and that we&#8217;d like to see more breweries give it a go?</p>
<p><em>Of course, the main reason for this post is to keep everyone busy correcting us and adding to the list while we&#8217;re away in Spain for a fortnight. Hasta luego!</em></p>
<p><strong>UPDATES</strong></p>
<p>20:49 23/09/11 Somehow we missed Pretty Things and their Once Upon at Time series, which they worked on with Ron Pattinson. There&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.prettythingsbeertoday.com/wp/our-beers/once-upon-a-time/once-upon-a-time-kk/">1901 Whitbread KK</a>, <a href="http://www.prettythingsbeertoday.com/wp/our-beers/once-upon-a-time/once-upon-a-time-mild/">an 1832 Truman Mild</a> and <a href="http://www.prettythingsbeertoday.com/wp/our-beers/once-upon-a-time/once-upon-a-time-eip/">an 1855 Barclay Perkins East India Porter</a>. Thanks to Dave for tipping us off to this in a comment below.</p>
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		<title>Imperial stout and Sherlock Holmes</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 19:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We were feeling a little fragile on Friday night after heavy weeks at work and decided to spend the evening in with a game of Sherlock Holmes, Consulting Detective and a couple of suitably Victorian gothic beers. Marble Decadence (8.7%) was pleasing in every way; large gulps were a mindblowing treat for the senses, but [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a rel="http://boakandbailey.com/2007/09/03/sherlock-holmes-and-beer/" href="http://www.boakandbailey.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/sherlockholmes_small.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-217" style="border: 10px solid white;" title="sherlockholmes_small.jpg" src="http://www.boakandbailey.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/sherlockholmes_small.jpg" alt="A poster for Mann's starring Sherlock Holmes" width="200" height="298" /></a>We were feeling a little fragile on Friday night after heavy weeks at work and decided to spend the evening in with a game of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_Consulting_Detective">Sherlock Holmes, Consulting Detective</a> and a couple of suitably Victorian gothic beers.</p>
<p>Marble Decadence (8.7%) was pleasing in every way; large gulps were a mindblowing treat for the senses, but delicate sipping worked too, giving us chance to enjoy the   chocolate, vanilla, cherry and raisin flavours which emerged in the mouth one after another over the course of several minutes. A bit of a Heston Blumenthal beer, this one &#8212; there&#8217;s surely some alchemy at work in its brewing.</p>
<p>Brodie&#8217;s Romanov Empress Stout was a freebie and even heavier at a  whopping 12.1%. It gave Boak an instant headache (lots of alcohol, lots of sugar) but Bailey  enjoyed the almost chewy texture and complex, <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2009/12/23/sour-stout-in-a-victorian-pub/">Harvey&#8217;s-like sourness</a> and hints of coal-tar. Enthusiastic conditioning meant that the carpet enjoyed most of  it, sadly, but then a full 500ml would have probably done for us.</p>
<p><em>We solved the case fairly easily. The lion tamer&#8217;s brother did it.</em></p>
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		<title>Sour Stout in a Victorian Pub</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Bailey</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In search of Fullers London Porter, and following a tip from reader Ant, we found ourselves back at the Royal Oak in Borough, south of London Bridge. The Porter was great, as always, if a little flat. Harvey&#8217;s Old Ale (4.3%) had rich fruit cake flavours and reminded us of Adnams Broadside. It was also [...]]]></description>
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<p>In search of Fullers London Porter, and <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2009/12/19/not-necessarily-christmas-beer/#comments">following a tip</a> from reader <a href="http://www.knuckleheads.co.uk/bp">Ant</a>, we found ourselves back at the <a href="http://boakandbailey.com/2008/03/20/harveys-porter-at-the-royal-oak/">Royal Oak in Borough, south of London Bridg</a>e. The Porter was great, as always, if a little flat. Harvey&#8217;s Old Ale (4.3%) had rich fruit cake flavours and reminded us of Adnams Broadside. It was also a little sour, which made us wonder if they really do add some aged beer to new to make it, or just a happy accident.</p>
<p>The highlight, though, was the <a href="http://www.harveys.org.uk/bottledbeers.php">Imperial Stout</a> (9%). The cheery barman was delighted when we asked if they had any and bounced off to get a bottle. He apologised profusely for the fact that it no longer comes in a corked bottle and presented it with some pride in a big wine glass.  We&#8217;ve had before but fairly early on in our beer drinking adventures, when our tastebuds were less mature, and then found it too intensely flavoured to actually finish. This time, it was love at first sight. There is something very sexy about a dark beer with a brown, caramel-coloured head. The smell was pure Cantillon &#8212; sour, sweet, and (bear with us) bordering on manure. The flavours exploded with every sip: blackberry, chocolate, tobacco (never thought we&#8217;d enjoy that), leather&#8230; we could go on. Astounding, in short, and now in our top 10.</p>
<p>As we drank, it began to snow outside. A Victorian pub, snow and black beer: it couldn&#8217;t have been more Christmassy.</p>
<p>NB &#8211; Fuller&#8217;s London Porter is also on at the Mad Bishop and Bear in Paddington Station, in cracking form.</p>
<p><em>A merry Christmas to all our readers &#8211; we&#8217;ll be back in a couple of days.</em></p>
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